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City to remove flouride from drinking water
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c***@hotmail.com
2006-09-15 02:30:24 UTC
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City removes fluoride from water

Karen Gleason / Del Rio News-Herald | September 14 2006

Fluoride will no longer be added to Del Rio's drinking water.

The Del Rio City Council made that decision Tuesday night after a
presentation by John Morony, a retired college biology professor, who
characterized fluoride as a poison and showed the council numerous
research references that link fluoride to higher rates of cancer and
other health hazards.

Following Morony's presentation and a brief discussion by the
council, Councilman Pat Cole said, "I make the motion that we cease
immediately adding fluoride to our beautiful San Felipe Springs
water."

In his letter to the city requesting time to address the council,
Morony recommended "that Del Rio cease fluoridating its water
supply."

Morony in his letter noted that in the U.S., more than 70 communities
have stopped adding fluoride to their water.

He also pointed out that most European countries, Japan and China do
not add fluoride to their water supplies.

"Why? Basically for two reasons: fluoridated water cannot be shown to
significantly reduce dental caries (tooth decay) and it has proved to
be far more toxic than previously thought," Morony wrote.

Morony during Tuesday night's meeting also presented the council with
a paper titled "Scientific Facts on the Biological Effects of
Fluorides."

The paper listed research references linking fluoride to a variety of
medical problems, including the development of bone cancer and
premature aging.

The paper stated, "Fluoride consumption by human beings increases the
general cancer death rate."

Morony noted that although some fluoride occurs naturally in all water,
the fluoride being added to the city's water supply "is a waste
product of the phosphate fertilizer industry."

"I'm just trying to get the fluoride out of our water," Morony
told the council.

At the end of Morony's presentation, Cole asked him, "So let me
clarify: if we continue adding fluoride, we are putting in our water a
byproduct of the fertilizer industry?"

"That's right," Morony said.

Councilman Mike Wrob asked, "At what point did we start putting
fluoride in our water?"

City administrators asked Mitch Lomas, manager of the city's water
treatment plant, to answer Wrob's question.

"We started fluoridating in 1990 as a result of a decision by the
city council," Lomas replied.

"At the time we did not have all the information about fluoride that
we do now," he added.

Wrob then asked Lomas to give the council his opinion of adding
fluoride to the city's drinking water, a question Lomas did not
answer directly.

Mayor Efrain Valdez noted that the city spends about $20,000 a year
buying the fluoride to add to the city water.

Cole asked Lomas, "How do employees at the water plant feel about
handling fluoride?"

"It's a very corrosive chemical. It eats through concrete and
metal. When they handle it, they have to wear respirators and
chemical-proof suits," Lomas said.

"But how do they feel about handling it?" Cole asked.

"They really would rather not handle it," Lomas replied.

Cole then made her motion to cease fluoridation of the city's water,
with Wrob giving the second.

After the council had voted unanimously to approve Cole's motion,
Morony told the News-Herald as he had left the council chambers, "The
council's decision is very gratifying. Now we can go back to drinking
Del Rio water."
Picasso
2006-09-15 08:58:28 UTC
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And here i was thinking NB was New Brunswick. Damn Yankies :)
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City removes fluoride from water
Karen Gleason / Del Rio News-Herald | September 14 2006
Fluoride will no longer be added to Del Rio's drinking water.
The Del Rio City Council made that decision Tuesday night after a
presentation by John Morony, a retired college biology professor, who
characterized fluoride as a poison and showed the council numerous
research references that link fluoride to higher rates of cancer and
other health hazards.
Following Morony's presentation and a brief discussion by the
council, Councilman Pat Cole said, "I make the motion that we cease
immediately adding fluoride to our beautiful San Felipe Springs
water."
In his letter to the city requesting time to address the council,
Morony recommended "that Del Rio cease fluoridating its water
supply."
Morony in his letter noted that in the U.S., more than 70 communities
have stopped adding fluoride to their water.
He also pointed out that most European countries, Japan and China do
not add fluoride to their water supplies.
"Why? Basically for two reasons: fluoridated water cannot be shown to
significantly reduce dental caries (tooth decay) and it has proved to
be far more toxic than previously thought," Morony wrote.
Morony during Tuesday night's meeting also presented the council with
a paper titled "Scientific Facts on the Biological Effects of
Fluorides."
The paper listed research references linking fluoride to a variety of
medical problems, including the development of bone cancer and
premature aging.
The paper stated, "Fluoride consumption by human beings increases the
general cancer death rate."
Morony noted that although some fluoride occurs naturally in all water,
the fluoride being added to the city's water supply "is a waste
product of the phosphate fertilizer industry."
"I'm just trying to get the fluoride out of our water," Morony
told the council.
At the end of Morony's presentation, Cole asked him, "So let me
clarify: if we continue adding fluoride, we are putting in our water a
byproduct of the fertilizer industry?"
"That's right," Morony said.
Councilman Mike Wrob asked, "At what point did we start putting
fluoride in our water?"
City administrators asked Mitch Lomas, manager of the city's water
treatment plant, to answer Wrob's question.
"We started fluoridating in 1990 as a result of a decision by the
city council," Lomas replied.
"At the time we did not have all the information about fluoride that
we do now," he added.
Wrob then asked Lomas to give the council his opinion of adding
fluoride to the city's drinking water, a question Lomas did not
answer directly.
Mayor Efrain Valdez noted that the city spends about $20,000 a year
buying the fluoride to add to the city water.
Cole asked Lomas, "How do employees at the water plant feel about
handling fluoride?"
"It's a very corrosive chemical. It eats through concrete and
metal. When they handle it, they have to wear respirators and
chemical-proof suits," Lomas said.
"But how do they feel about handling it?" Cole asked.
"They really would rather not handle it," Lomas replied.
Cole then made her motion to cease fluoridation of the city's water,
with Wrob giving the second.
After the council had voted unanimously to approve Cole's motion,
Morony told the News-Herald as he had left the council chambers, "The
council's decision is very gratifying. Now we can go back to drinking
Del Rio water."
n***@gmail.com
2006-09-15 12:14:19 UTC
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This city council is very smart to protect their citizens by stopping
water fluoridation. Modern science has proven that fluoridation is
ineffective at reducing tooth decay, harmfull to health and a waste of
money.

For more info:

Fluoridation 101
www.orgsites.com/ny/nyscof

Fluoridation News Releases
http://tinyurl.com/6kqtu

Tooth Decay Crises in Fluoridated Areas
http://www.fluoridenews.blogspot.com/


Fluoride Action Network
http://www.FluorideAction.Net
Post by c***@hotmail.com
City removes fluoride from water
Karen Gleason / Del Rio News-Herald | September 14 2006
Fluoride will no longer be added to Del Rio's drinking water.
The Del Rio City Council made that decision Tuesday night after a
presentation by John Morony, a retired college biology professor, who
characterized fluoride as a poison and showed the council numerous
research references that link fluoride to higher rates of cancer and
other health hazards.
Following Morony's presentation and a brief discussion by the
council, Councilman Pat Cole said, "I make the motion that we cease
immediately adding fluoride to our beautiful San Felipe Springs
water."
In his letter to the city requesting time to address the council,
Morony recommended "that Del Rio cease fluoridating its water
supply."
Morony in his letter noted that in the U.S., more than 70 communities
have stopped adding fluoride to their water.
He also pointed out that most European countries, Japan and China do
not add fluoride to their water supplies.
"Why? Basically for two reasons: fluoridated water cannot be shown to
significantly reduce dental caries (tooth decay) and it has proved to
be far more toxic than previously thought," Morony wrote.
Morony during Tuesday night's meeting also presented the council with
a paper titled "Scientific Facts on the Biological Effects of
Fluorides."
The paper listed research references linking fluoride to a variety of
medical problems, including the development of bone cancer and
premature aging.
The paper stated, "Fluoride consumption by human beings increases the
general cancer death rate."
Morony noted that although some fluoride occurs naturally in all water,
the fluoride being added to the city's water supply "is a waste
product of the phosphate fertilizer industry."
"I'm just trying to get the fluoride out of our water," Morony
told the council.
At the end of Morony's presentation, Cole asked him, "So let me
clarify: if we continue adding fluoride, we are putting in our water a
byproduct of the fertilizer industry?"
"That's right," Morony said.
Councilman Mike Wrob asked, "At what point did we start putting
fluoride in our water?"
City administrators asked Mitch Lomas, manager of the city's water
treatment plant, to answer Wrob's question.
"We started fluoridating in 1990 as a result of a decision by the
city council," Lomas replied.
"At the time we did not have all the information about fluoride that
we do now," he added.
Wrob then asked Lomas to give the council his opinion of adding
fluoride to the city's drinking water, a question Lomas did not
answer directly.
Mayor Efrain Valdez noted that the city spends about $20,000 a year
buying the fluoride to add to the city water.
Cole asked Lomas, "How do employees at the water plant feel about
handling fluoride?"
"It's a very corrosive chemical. It eats through concrete and
metal. When they handle it, they have to wear respirators and
chemical-proof suits," Lomas said.
"But how do they feel about handling it?" Cole asked.
"They really would rather not handle it," Lomas replied.
Cole then made her motion to cease fluoridation of the city's water,
with Wrob giving the second.
After the council had voted unanimously to approve Cole's motion,
Morony told the News-Herald as he had left the council chambers, "The
council's decision is very gratifying. Now we can go back to drinking
Del Rio water."
Bryan Heit
2006-09-16 19:32:32 UTC
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This city council is very smart to protect their citizens by stopping
water fluoridation. Modern science has proven that fluoridation is
ineffective at reducing tooth decay, harmfull to health and a waste of
money.
Actually, modern science has shown the exact opposite. Rather then
relying on organizations with an obvious bias against fluoridation, may
I recommend that you actually look at the actual medical research being
published in this area. It's simple - go to any of the medical sciences
search engines (pubmed, medline, cisti, biological abstracts, etc) and
type in "fluoridation" into the search box. Here's a few from pubmed
(www.pubmed.gov):

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=11021861&query_hl=2&itool=pubmed_DocSum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=11359049&query_hl=2&itool=pubmed_DocSum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=12734021&query_hl=2&itool=pubmed_DocSum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=15725518&query_hl=2&itool=pubmed_DocSum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=15643748&query_hl=18&itool=pubmed_DocSum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=15153699&query_hl=18&itool=pubmed_DocSum

As for the decision of this towns government - it was foolish. A
responsible government would have studied both sides of the issue before
making any decision. Instead, this government allowed itself to be fed
erroneous information and didn't even bother to check a single one of
the "facts" fed to them.

Bryan
Doug
2006-09-16 20:00:21 UTC
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From the very beginning flouride in the water has meant less tooth
decay. Flouride occurs NATURALLY in some water supplies. After studies
showed that SOME communities had signifigantly fewer cavities, it was
discovered that these communities had natural occuring floride in their
water. LOTS of studies since then have verified this. Dentists reguarly
use floride "packs" on teeth before they glue in crowns and such.
Floride is found in almost every toothpaste. No question about it,
flouride, in proper amounts, prevents tooth decay.
Molesworth
2006-09-16 21:26:58 UTC
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Post by Doug
From the very beginning flouride in the water has meant less tooth
decay. Flouride occurs NATURALLY in some water supplies. After studies
showed that SOME communities had signifigantly fewer cavities, it was
discovered that these communities had natural occuring floride in their
water. LOTS of studies since then have verified this. Dentists reguarly
use floride "packs" on teeth before they glue in crowns and such.
Floride is found in almost every toothpaste. No question about it,
flouride, in proper amounts, prevents tooth decay.
Both my kids (when they were 8 & 12) had fluoride treatment plus fissure
sealing in the UK. They are now 31 and 36 respectively and have *no*
fillings or missing teeth.

HTH

Molesworth (X-posts left in)
Colin B.
2006-09-18 19:09:40 UTC
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Post by c***@hotmail.com
City removes fluoride from water
Karen Gleason / Del Rio News-Herald | September 14 2006
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Post by c***@hotmail.com
"Why? Basically for two reasons: fluoridated water cannot be shown to
significantly reduce dental caries (tooth decay) and it has proved to
be far more toxic than previously thought," Morony wrote.
These are both lies. Fluoridated water clearly reduces cavities, as can be
seen by anyone with a basic understanding of statistics. Secondly,
many fluoridated compounds have been known for a very long time to be very
nasty to work with. Same with chlorinated compounds, but that doesn't mean
that a bit of table salt will kill you.
Post by c***@hotmail.com
Morony during Tuesday night's meeting also presented the council with
a paper titled "Scientific Facts on the Biological Effects of
Fluorides."
This "paper" is a collection of citations and claims, and nothing more.. It
is not a scientific paper in the 'hypothesis-test-results' sense, nor has it
been published or peer-reviewed. In fact, it's just a web-page created by
the "Natural Health and Longevity Resource Center."
Post by c***@hotmail.com
The paper listed research references linking fluoride to a variety of
medical problems, including the development of bone cancer and
premature aging.
Yep. And it also suggests that fluoridated toothpaste is deliberately packed
in aluminium tubes in order to increase the cancer and bone decay rates.
Sounds a bit like a...conspiracy to control the masses!!!

Honestly, don't legislators even bother to read things for themselves before
making decisions?

Colin
CalgaryBill
2006-09-18 19:13:38 UTC
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Post by Colin B.
Post by c***@hotmail.com
City removes fluoride from water
Karen Gleason / Del Rio News-Herald | September 14 2006
(snip)
Post by c***@hotmail.com
"Why? Basically for two reasons: fluoridated water cannot be shown to
significantly reduce dental caries (tooth decay) and it has proved to
be far more toxic than previously thought," Morony wrote.
These are both lies. Fluoridated water clearly reduces cavities, as can be
seen by anyone with a basic understanding of statistics. Secondly,
many fluoridated compounds have been known for a very long time to be very
nasty to work with. Same with chlorinated compounds, but that doesn't mean
that a bit of table salt will kill you.
Post by c***@hotmail.com
Morony during Tuesday night's meeting also presented the council with
a paper titled "Scientific Facts on the Biological Effects of
Fluorides."
This "paper" is a collection of citations and claims, and nothing more.. It
is not a scientific paper in the 'hypothesis-test-results' sense, nor has it
been published or peer-reviewed. In fact, it's just a web-page created by
the "Natural Health and Longevity Resource Center."
Post by c***@hotmail.com
The paper listed research references linking fluoride to a variety of
medical problems, including the development of bone cancer and
premature aging.
Yep. And it also suggests that fluoridated toothpaste is deliberately packed
in aluminium tubes in order to increase the cancer and bone decay rates.
Sounds a bit like a...conspiracy to control the masses!!!
Honestly, don't legislators even bother to read things for themselves before
making decisions?
If these vaious politicians actually believed in what they vote for, in
Canada for example, the B.C. town of Prince George would be evacuated
permanently, because it's natural flouridation levels in the drinking water
are above the ppm that you find in any artificially flouridated supply.
There are many other towns where natural flouridation occurs at high levels
too. The worst effect of such water that I've ever heard of is the yellow
mottling of the tooth enamel.

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